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SHOULD UTTRAKHAND CAPITAL (Dehradun) ACTUALLY BE SHITED TO GAIRSAIN ???

Yes
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Vivek bhai, car ka to ek chota sa udaharan tha sirf reference ke liye.  Ab ek settalite chodte hain to kitna kharcha hota hai.  Jo hota hai hoga Sarkaar dekhegi, Rajya Sarkar aur Kendra bhee.  
Aap ke ghar se door to nahee parh raha hai Gair Sain?  (just jocking) hahahahaha....



Sir,

govt finds a very good alternative of Garisain(Dehradun)

Par pehle mujhe bataen ki Garisain ko rajdhani banane ki to maang hi ki gaye thi bas

kya koi iske liye bill pass hua tha ya logo ne bol diya to Govt. bound ho gayee Gairsain ko capital banane ke liye

Boss kisi be central level ke dicision ke liye pata nahi kitne hi under seceretries, joint secretries baithte hain. jab itne pade likhe logo se koi data nikal ke aata hai to ho hi nahi sakta ki koi bhi pehlu unchua reh jaaye.
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Is there any role of Centre Govt in shifting of state  Capital etc ??


Vivek bhai, car ka to ek chota sa udaharan tha sirf reference ke liye.  Ab ek settalite chodte hain to kitna kharcha hota hai.  Jo hota hai hoga Sarkaar dekhegi, Rajya Sarkar aur Kendra bhee.  
Aap ke ghar se door to nahee parh raha hai Gair Sain?  (just jocking) hahahahaha....








well obviously yes

any time after a bill like this passed in state assembly must have clear by central govt also

as in special case of UK where central govt have to do a lot of funding you must need a clear nod from planning commision also
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Now see this tale of Gairsain to be the Capital of Uttrakhand.
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Gairsain is not an unfamiliar idea. It was widely accepted as the capital of Uttarakhand even before the demand for a separate hill state came into full swing in 1994. In fact, Gairsain is not a geographical entity alone, it is a complete philosophy of development to be achieved through the 73rd and 74th Amendments of our Constitution.


If the present state of things is to be kept forever, then it is alright to make Dehradun as the permanent capital of Uttaranchal. But if we want to tilt our priorities towards that distant person, who has been left far behind in the U.P. model of development, then we will have to make Gairsain our capital. Dehradun means that those who are already better off, will continue to reap the harvest of well being in this new state too. Gairsain means that the government is determined to go to the door of the poorest. Dehradun in no way represents a geography in which the people, though provided handsomely by mother nature, are forced to live in utter poverty. It is as simple as that.


The irony is, that those who were never interested in a separate state, and in fact who opposed the very idea of Uttarakhand are ruling it since it came into being. Mr. Narayan Dutt Tewari had declared in 1994, ''I will not allow Uttarakhand to take shape as long as I am alive.'' Today he heads this state. What a mockery of all those martyrs who sacrificed their lives to fulfil a dream of their people!


Even after Uttaranchal became a reality, Baba Mohan Uttarakhandi had to lay down his life for Gairsain after a fast, lasting 39 days. This tragic event took place on 9th August 2004. Then the activists of Uttarakhand Mahila Manch took over. They started a fast unto death, two at a time, from 2nd October, the tenth anniversary of the infamous Muzaffarnagar incident. During the fast when one woman, whose condition deteriorated, would be forcibly removed and force-fed by Chamoli District Police and Administration, another would take her place. Women activists had to bear the cruel repression of the police, as they were often lathi charged while being forcibly removed. This sequence continued for 63 days. But no one from the Uttaranchal Government came to talk to the women.



The Uttaranchal Government had no concern for their lives. The mainstream media would not write about them, as a propagator of consumer economy, it covertly supports the idea of keeping up the capital in Dehradun. Bureaucrats and businessmen in Dehradun does suit its commercial interests more than the ill fed and half naked villagers. If media does not ridicule the emotions of Uttarakhand, it tries to ignore them. So, the best idea, the activists thought, will be to go straight to the people. It was the people who had made the impossible task possible and created this state. But now let down by the politicians, disillusioned and disorganised, they sought counsel. ''Padyatra'' was the time tested method.
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lets poll also on this issue.....  :cheers:
    Thanks for all YU'ins who supported for Pratapnagar Medical Camp.  

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Yes sir,

This is good idea actually i wanted to do the poll on this but had forgotten. Anyway, now it has starated,  let see trend of people what they like on this issue.

lets poll also on this issue.....  :cheers:

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See the news published on this isssue below. I feel this has been one of the hottest issue in UK since the formation of State :


February 28, 2007

NEW DELHI, FEBRUARY 27: The next BJP government in Uttarakhand is determined to settle the issue of the state’s capital, on whether it would continue to be in Dehradun or would be shifted to the hills, but planned to go about it cautiously in view of the sentimental issues involved. The priority for the new government would also be to establish the state’s infrastructure, among which would be a road network, said B.C. Khanduri whose nomination as chief minister will be formally announced later this week in the state capital following a meeting of BJP MLAs.

Khanduri said the question of a state capital was a complex one, and the outgoing Congress government had not attempted to address it. “The issue of the state’s capital is a sentimental and complicated issue, but we have to find a solution to it. There are also administrative issues involved, as the state capital has to be easily accessible,” Khanduri told The Indian Express.

He plans to have discussions with political parties and people at large on the issue and will be guided by the recommendations of the commission for the selection of a new site for the state capital headed by Justice Virendra Dixit. “A capital city has to be suitable from all aspects, like soil quality, and we will take into account technical reports. A general consensus must be arrived at on a permanent capital because it will involve huge costs,” Khanduri said. [more]

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Now see the peition filed on this issue. Lastly, once i would seek your views.

To:  To the Chief Minister, members of the Uttaranchal State Assembly, members of the Lok Sabha for Uttaranchal, Secretaries, etc.
OCTOBER 2004

Whereas this October 2, 2004 marked the tenth anniversary of the darkest moment of Uttarakhand's modern history,

Whereas ten years ago, the Uttar Pradesh state machinery unleashed a reign of terror in the hills in response to the non-violent and universally recognized just demands of the Uttarakhand movement,

Whereas to this date, the perpetrators of the incidents in Muzaffarnagar, Khatima, Mussoorie, and Dehradun -- where citizens were killed and even raped by the provincial police -- remain at large,

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Whereas Gairsain has been repeatedly identified as the ideal capital of any new state by various committees in 1992, 1994, and again in 2000 by the popular groups in the region,

Whereas Gairsain lies equidistant to all parts of Uttarakhand, and is the birthplace of the region's most prominent freedom fighter, Vir Chander Singh Garhwali,

Whereas Gairsain's status and culture most resembles the lived experiences of the state's impoverished rural majority,

Whereas basing the provisional capital in Dehradun has once again concentrated power and resources in a large urban centre, to the neglect of development in the hills,

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Whereas the naming of the state as Uttaranchal in 2000 was done under political compulsions with profound disrespect and in total disregard for the culture, history, and demands of the movement,

Whereas, the reversion of the state's name to the historic and true Uttarakhand was listed as the preeminent goal of the first ever elected state government in the governor's address to the state assembly in 2002,

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Whereas women are once again taking a lead role in the new movement by staging hunger strikes and mass rallies,

Whereas women are the backbone of Uttarakhand society, but have yet to see any benefits from the new state,

Whereas the time has come for their issues and concerns to take centre stage as the Uttarakhand Andolan moves into a new phase,


We hereby declare our full support for the Uttarakhand Mahila Manch and Uttarakhand Samyukta Sangharsh Morcha in their struggle for a progressive, democratic, and just Uttarakhand,

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Request that the state government and all representatives at the centre take seriously their demands for moving the capital to Gairsain, returning the name to Uttarakhand, the prosecution of the perpetrators of the Muzaffarnagar incident and other atrocities during the Jan Andolan of 1994, and all the demands for full decentralization, a participatory political culture, women's empowerment, protection of the state's land, forest, and water resources from speculation and exploitation, and basic land reforms for the landless.


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Boss kisi be central level ke dicision ke liye pata nahi kitne hi under seceretries, joint secretries baithte hain. jab itne pade likhe logo se koi data nikal ke aata hai to ho hi nahi sakta ki koi bhi pehlu unchua reh jaaye.



Chail Chabeela ji,

Capital ko Gairsain shift karna Public (pahari Uttarakhandi) ka view hai.

Capital to Dehradoon rakhna Politicians, burocrates, businessmen aur Public (US nagar/ Haridwar and Dehradoon) ka agenda hai.

Isme kaun jeetega, clear hai.

Agar Saare angles dekh ke Dehradoon Capital ke liye best suited hota tau Rajdhani ayog (Dixit commission) ka karyakaal nahi badhta. Dixit commission ka karyakaal tab tak badhta rahega, jab tak Dehradoon ko permanent capital ke liye full justification secretries/ joint secretaries taiyaar nahi kar lete.

Boss, Jo neta aur officers Gairsain mein post honge, unko doon ke barabar schooling/ Medical facilities  kaise milengee? Kaise wo log dunia se connect rah paayenge? These are major issues. Isliye ye log data apni suvidha ke anusaar nikalte hein.

Mehta ji, Agar aapko Uttaranchal govt mein job milegi tau aap kahan jaana pasand karenge? Dehradoon ya Gairsain? Dil pe haath rakh ke sochiye. Jawab mil jaayega ki Capital kyon nahi shift ho rahi. agar aap bhee un logon ki jagah hote to yahi karte.
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Boss kisi be central level ke dicision ke liye pata nahi kitne hi under seceretries, joint secretries baithte hain. jab itne pade likhe logo se koi data nikal ke aata hai to ho hi nahi sakta ki koi bhi pehlu unchua reh jaaye.



Chail Chabeela ji,

Capital ko Gairsain shift karna Public (pahari Uttarakhandi) ka view hai.

Capital to Dehradoon rakhna Politicians, burocrates, businessmen aur Public (US nagar/ Haridwar and Dehradoon) ka agenda hai.

Isme kaun jeetega, clear hai.

Agar Saare angles dekh ke Dehradoon Capital ke liye best suited hota tau Rajdhani ayog (Dixit commission) ka karyakaal nahi badhta. Dixit commission ka karyakaal tab tak badhta rahega, jab tak Dehradoon ko permanent capital ke liye full justification secretries/ joint secretaries taiyaar nahi kar lete.

Boss, Jo neta aur officers Gairsain mein post honge, unko doon ke barabar schooling/ Medical facilities  kaise milengee? Kaise wo log dunia se connect rah paayenge? These are major issues. Isliye ye log data apni suvidha ke anusaar nikalte hein.

Mehta ji, Agar aapko Uttaranchal govt mein job milegi tau aap kahan jaana pasand karenge? Dehradoon ya Gairsain? Dil pe haath rakh ke sochiye. Jawab mil jaayega ki Capital kyon nahi shift ho rahi. agar aap bhee un logon ki jagah hote to yahi karte.




very well written sir,

main apko yeh batana chahoonga ki commission democracy ka hissa hote hain inki democracy main bahut importance hoti hai.

commission ko normally jinda rakha jaata hai par oxygen nahi di jaati, lekin jab bhi jan bhawnaon ke saath khilwad kiya jaana hota hai in bhujhi hui aag(commission) ko hawa de di jaati hai.

baaki rarely capitals shift hoti hai, lekin agar shift bhi ho to uski hi level ki jagah dekhi jaati hai na ki jan bhawnaen.
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Sir Ji,

I would prefer to serve in Gairsain if i get a job in UK. First of all it is no easy to get job in UK. This is mere a dream and people were also expecting that after separation of UK there will be flood of Govt Job. Everybody has witnessed this. If Capital is shifted, basic amenties will come there and development would take place may not at the of rapid pace but tortoise.



Boss kisi be central level ke dicision ke liye pata nahi kitne hi under seceretries, joint secretries baithte hain. jab itne pade likhe logo se koi data nikal ke aata hai to ho hi nahi sakta ki koi bhi pehlu unchua reh jaaye.



Chail Chabeela ji,

Capital ko Gairsain shift karna Public (pahari Uttarakhandi) ka view hai.

Capital to Dehradoon rakhna Politicians, burocrates, businessmen aur Public (US nagar/ Haridwar and Dehradoon) ka agenda hai.

Isme kaun jeetega, clear hai.

Agar Saare angles dekh ke Dehradoon Capital ke liye best suited hota tau Rajdhani ayog (Dixit commission) ka karyakaal nahi badhta. Dixit commission ka karyakaal tab tak badhta rahega, jab tak Dehradoon ko permanent capital ke liye full justification secretries/ joint secretaries taiyaar nahi kar lete.

Boss, Jo neta aur officers Gairsain mein post honge, unko doon ke barabar schooling/ Medical facilities  kaise milengee? Kaise wo log dunia se connect rah paayenge? These are major issues. Isliye ye log data apni suvidha ke anusaar nikalte hein.

Mehta ji, Agar aapko Uttaranchal govt mein job milegi tau aap kahan jaana pasand karenge? Dehradoon ya Gairsain? Dil pe haath rakh ke sochiye. Jawab mil jaayega ki Capital kyon nahi shift ho rahi. agar aap bhee un logon ki jagah hote to yahi karte.

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In recent news i had read that Khanduri Ji was assuring people of Uttrakhand that the would work on this issue as sentiment of peoples are involving with the Capital issue. Who can forget the incident of Muzaffarnazar ? People have sacrifed there lives for sake of development of Uttrakhand.
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On this subject, many Polls have been conducted in other sites of UK. Trend i have seen in favour of Gairsain. who looks on this trend. Govt is helpless due to financial grounds.
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mai to sirf itna janti hoon ki ye sab sirf poltics hai
pahle uttaranchal se uttarakhand karne mai paisa kharab kiya
wo issue solve hua to ek aur issue rajdhani
itna paisa agar vikas ke aur sadhno mai lagaya jaye to sayad logo ke liye acha hoga

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Sir ji
mai to sirf itna janti hoon ki ye sab sirf poltics hai
pahle uttaranchal se uttarakhand karne mai paisa kharab kiya
wo issue solve hua to ek aur issue rajdhani
itna paisa agar vikas ke aur sadhno mai lagaya jaye to sayad logo ke liye acha hoga



Bilkul sahi madam,

par agar sab kuch neet n clean ho to POLITICS kya rahi

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Pratibha Ji,

Politiciin has made it a game. This should have sorted out earlier. Now, really state is no position spend thousands of crores rupees on this. Another way, people want to change the Capital. Catch 22 position for Govt. 

Sir ji
mai to sirf itna janti hoon ki ye sab sirf poltics hai
pahle uttaranchal se uttarakhand karne mai paisa kharab kiya
wo issue solve hua to ek aur issue rajdhani
itna paisa agar vikas ke aur sadhno mai lagaya jaye to sayad logo ke liye acha hoga

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